Joseph Barrand (1793–1839)

Joseph Barrand, (Son of Thomas Barrand and Susannah Cook) was child number six and was born on the 26^th February, 1793 and baptised as Joseph "Barnard" on the 21^st April, 1793 in St. Mary’s Church, St. Marylebone, London. In 1813, he joined the navy, working for the admiralty both in Woolwich and Greenwich most probably as a blacksmith, and that is confirmed in the Admiralty records as being aged 21 in 1813.

On the 27^th March, 1827, he married Eleanor Page in Deptford, Greenwich. Eleanor Page was born in November, 1795 and baptised on the 2^nd of December, 1795 in London, the daughter of Joseph Page and Sarah Howes. They had 3 daughters, Sarah, Jane and Eleanor.

Clearly, Eleanor page was already pregnant when she married Joseph Barrand. Joseph and Eleanor had 2 children for certain, Peter Thomas, born 15^th August, 1827 and baptised on the 2^nd September, 1827 at St. Alphage Church, Greenwich. Peter Thomas died the following year at their home in Roan Street in Greenwich on the 10^th January, 1828 and the death was subject to a coroners’ warrant. The death was shown to be of natural causes and he was buried on the 18^th January, 1828.

Their second son was Thomas James Barrand and was born in Tranters Buildings, Roan Street, Greenwich, a rented house, on the 9^th July, 1830 and baptised on the 2^nd August, 1830. The parish poor records show that Eleanor was living in Roan Street, Greenwich with 3 children, but I can only find 2, but there is a Mary shown on the 1841 census as born in 1824.

Joseph Barrand was still working for the Admiralty as a sailor when he died on the 21^st January, 1839 on the hospital ship, Dreadnaught of pleuricy aged 46. His home address was still Roan Street, Greenwich, and he was buried on the 27^th January, 1839, in St. Aphege Church, Greenwich. Death Ref: Greenwich 1839 - 1st Qtr (5 - 140)

Joseph’s son, Thomas James aged 9, is shown on the 1841 census living in Roan Street, Greenwich with his mother Eleanor (nee Page), but possibly he died in 1845 as “Thomas James Ballard” but there is also another child, Mary Barrand, aged 18 (daughter) so, presumably born in or around 1823 but, as Joseph did not marry Eleanor Page until 1827, this raises the possibility that Joseph may have been married previously, but there are no records of this. The 1841 census shows Eleanor as a laundress and they were now living in Norris buildings, Roan Street in Greenwich. Thomas James however does not show on the 1851 census, and neither does Mary, although it appears that Mary may well have died in 1847 and Thomas in 1845. Eleanor (nee Page) died on May 25th, 1845 in Roan Street, Greenwich from a burst blood vessel and the death was subject to a coroners’ report and she was buried on the 1^st June, 1845 in St. Aphege Church, Greenwich, aged 50, making her DOB as 1795. Death Ref: Greenwich 1845 - 3^rd Qtr (5 - 153) The death was registered by the coroner on the 7^th August, 1845, 2 months after her death.

What raises the probability that Joseph had been married before his marriage to Eleanor Page in 1827 is the mention of a Joseph Barrand, born in 1819. He does not show on any baptism records though, and the first time he appears is on the 1841 census, living in the Old Kent Road as a servant to a Mr. Avery. This is also confirmed by a newspaper article of 5^th December, 1841, in which a Joseph Barrand is commended for detecting a woman who had robbed Mr. Avery at the “World Upside Down” public house at 145, Old Kent Road.

There is no record of Joseph in the 1851 census, but he is found on the 1861 census, working as a builder’s labourer and living in Roan Street, Greenwich. He is found living in the same street as Joseph Barrand born in 1793, son of Thomas Barrand and Susannah Cook. On the 1861 census, Joseph’s birth place is given as Greenwich, Kent, which then makes it quite possible that this Joseph was in fact a son of Joseph Barrand. Joseph senior therefore may have married in about 1816 and had 2 children, Joseph born in 1816-1820 and Mary, born in 1818. Unfortunately, there are no records of Joseph (b 1793) having been married before his marriage to Eleanor Page. There is however a record of a Joseph Barnard (sic) born in August, 1816 and baptised 16^th February, 1817 to a Joseph Barnard and Mary, and also a Mary, born in 1818. It may be of some significance that our Joseph Barrand was himself baptised as Joseph Barnard in the IGI records for St. Mary’s Church Marylebone. If this is the correct Joseph, then unfortunately his marriage certificate shows that he was a bachelor when he married Eleanor Page in 1827. It is also a distinct possibility therefore that Joseph Barrand (b 1793) lived with Eleanor Page as husband and wife, and they had the 2 children before their actual marriage in 1827 or that Joseph Barrand lived with a "Mary" and had the children out of wedlock.

There is no record of the death of Joseph, born in 1820 and he does not show on any census since 1861. One thing that reinforces the Joseph Barrand story is the fact that his parents, Thomas Barrand and Susannah Cook both moved to Woolwich, died there and were buried in Woolwich. It would seem that at some time about 1810, they moved from Islington to Woolwich taking their youngest children, Joseph and Eliza Cook with them.

Poor Parish entry for Greenwich 1830

1841 census for Joseph

1841 census – Eleanor Barrand, Mary and Thomas

World Upside Down Public House, Nelson Place, 145 Old Kent Road

1861 census

Burial of Mary Barron (daughter of Joseph/Mary) from Roan Street 1847

There is no record in the BMD of the death of Mary Ann Barron (sic) and only a record of the burial.

Baptism Record of Joseph Barrand

JOSEPH BARNARD

Event(s):

Birth: 26 FEB 1793

Christening: 21 APR 1793 Saint Mary-St Marylebone Road, Saint Marylebone

Parents:

Father: THOMAS BARNARD

Mother: SUSANNA

Source Information:

Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C035243 1791 - 1793 0580906 Film 6903614 Film

C035243 1793 - 1798 0580907 Film NONE

IGI Record of the birth of Joseph “Barnard” 1793

ADM Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related bodies

Division within ADM Records of Service

ADM 29 Admiralty: Royal Navy, Royal Marines, Coastguard and related services: Officers' and Ratings' Service Records (Series II)

Subseries within ADM 29 Navy Pay Office: Entry Books of Certificates of Service

ADM 29/21 Admiralty: ratings

Record Summary:

Scope and content Original page number: 14

Joseph BARRAND; Rating; Black-Smith; Born: London; Age on entry: 21; Dates served: 13 April 1813-27 July 1837; Date and Type of Application: Admiralty 17 January 1839

Covering dates 1839 Jan.-Sept.

Availability Open Document, Open Description, Normal Closure before FOI Act: 30 years

Held by The National Archives, Kew

TNA Record of Joseph at Admiralty

Name: Ellenor Page

Spouse Name: Joseph Barrand

Record Type: Marriage

Event Date: 27 Mar 1827

Parish: Deptford St Nicholas

Borough: Greenwich

Parish register of marriage of Joseph Barrand + Eleanor Page

Marriage of Joseph Barrand to Eleanor Page 1827

Baptism Record of Peter Thomas Barrand

PETER THOMAS BARRAND Male No 945 on the Registers

Event(s):

Birth: 15 AUG 1827

Christening: 02 SEP 1827 St. Alphage, Greenwich, Kent, England

Parents:

Father: JOSEPH BARRAND

Mother: ELEANOR

Source Information:

Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C006323 1820 - 1827 0254591 Film NONE

IGI Record of baptism of Peter Thomas Barrand 1827

Name: Peter Thomas Barrand

Record Type: Burial

Event Date: 18 Jan 1828

Age: 5m

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827

Died in Roan Street, and was subject to coroner's report.

Parish: Saint Alfege

Borough: Greenwich

County: Middlesex

Burial Record of Peter Thomas Barrand

Burial Record of Peter Thomas Barrand

THOMAS JAMES BARRAND Male No 211 on the Registers

Event(s):

Birth: 09 JUL 1830

Christening: 02 AUG 1830 St Alphage, Greenwich, Kent, England

Parents:

Father: JOSEPH BARRAND

Mother: ELEANOR

Source Information:

Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C006323 1828 - 1830 0254592 Film 6906349 Film

IGI Record of birth of Thomas James Barrand 1830

Baptism Record of Thomas James Barrand

1841 Census

Death Certificate of Joseph Barrand 1839

London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980

about Joseph Barrand

Name: Joseph Barrand

Record Type: Burial

Event Date: 27 Jan 1839

Estimated Age: 47

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1792

Parish: Saint Alfege

Borough: Greenwich

County: Middlesex

Parish Record of the Burial of Joseph Barrand

Burial record of Joseph Barrand

Greenwich 1796

Greenwich houses c1835 Greenwich 1835

The Dreadnaught Hospital Ship.

Dreadnaught Hospital Ship

Death Certificate of Eleanor Barrand 1845

London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980

about Eleanor Barrand

Name: Eleanor Barrand

Record Type: Burial

Event Date: 1 Jun 1845

Age: 50

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1795

Parish: Saint Alfege

Borough: Greenwich

County: Middlesex

Parish record of the Death of Eleanor Barrand

Burial record of Eleanor Barrand

Baptism Record of Joseph Barnard – parents Joseph Barnard + Mary

Baptism Record of Mary Barnard, parents Joseph Barnard + Mary.